In an interview with & # 39; th ENCA program in the first citizen, former President Thabo Mbeki discussed his view of South Africa's 25 years of democracy.
Aldrin Sampear host asked him to comment on the debate on the ground, the question he had asked in the interview & # 39; nd Sunday newspaper last weekend.
Mbeki said that South Africa must do "things of the earth", but also on the basis of "a & # 39 objective understanding of what the problems are and what we should do about it."
He said he did not know about the amendments to the constitution was the answer. "I would like, before we came to the resolutions, to understand the nature of the problem. Once you understand this, you are saying that you will take action. "
Interview & # 39; nd with: Mbeki lost the ANC say land with the decision to expropriate land
If Sampear asked him why he had seen from & # 39 is a problem for Mbeki to push land redistribution and restitution under his leadership, Mbeki said: "This is because the ANC has never identified what it was such pressure. That's why I say that we must understand the nature of the problem. Do you believe the problem.
"We have said that there should be land restitution process. Ground-based claims. We have created a system and structure, which, obviously, with the & # 39 is too slow. It was not even in court and a permanent judge, and all that. It needs to be improved.
"Then we said, the Land Bank," Some people will come to you to borrow money to go to commercial agriculture.
"Land bank & # 39 is a state-owned bank. Thus, you have to answer it, because it is part of the transformation process. Then at some point, the land bank he got into problems, and so on. "
Mbeki said that during his tenure the government prevailing problems were rather "poverty, unemployment, homelessness, and this kind of things" were found.
"So we said, let's invest in the solution of these things. If we succeeded or not is another question. But I do not think there was ever any sense that, for example, there is a huge shortage of land for agricultural purposes pressure among black people. "
He took issue with the current assumption that it was even a real question today.
Mbeki to explain why he was against the approach Anka on land expropriation without compensation
Mbeki said that the earth is "pressure" from the & # 39 is an urban problem, and while he was Pres ANC did not have this "pressure" pic.twitter.com/L7vAUawpig
– Aldrin Sampear (@AldrinSampear) April 28, 2019
"Why are you suggesting that it? It is very clear that there is enormous pressure on the land around urban areas. That's why you find these land occupations. They are not in the countryside. They are around urban areas, and this is understandable. So this is the land question that must be resolved.
"But you see, I was against the argument that there were settlers who came expropriated our land without compensation, and now it's our turn to expropriate their land without compensation, to give to our people.
"Immediately, I like the ANC's people, I want to say that if the ANC says that we will expropriate from someone who would give our people … who, in the eyes of Anka, among the South African population, with & # 39; is Sun our people? The other side can say that … but the ANC could not. "
He noted that the ANC announced the Freedom Charter as the basic and the main political document.
"Freedom Charter says the land distributed among all those who work it. Why are we walking away from this? "
The first strategic objective of the ANC is not yet complete
Mbeki said earlier the first "strategic objective" of the ANC was to eradicate the legacy of colonialism and apartheid.
"I would then say that we are still faced with the same problem, and to this day. We have not yet reached. That's why you see everywhere is clear evidence of the old social and economic order. "
However, he said that the party has learned "a lot that needs to be done to eradicate the legacy of … and [has] I made a lot of mistakes in the process … and has made progress in some cases. "
"What we need to do now is to have another sura & # 39; oznae reflected in achieving this goal. What is it that we need to do, given our experience of the last 25 years, about the economy, about education, about settlements, about everything. "
He said that the existing text in the parliament, "two South Africas" is still true, and it was not overcome, because to do so was "severe".
Mbeki acknowledged the "dew element" in South Africa is still present.
"For example, you take on the economy … we used to have an international advisory investment committee, composed of business leaders from around the world that would meet twice a year, and make their own comments about what they thought It should happen within the country and in terms of our relations with the rest of the world.
"There's a question they held funds which we found difficult to answer at some point – it was that large corporations in South Africa, large companies with liquidity level that a & # 39 are abnormally high, you will not find among companies around the globe. Why?
"They ask us this question every time we met. In the end, we had to answer it.
"We were told that the answer is that the owners of large & # 39; the amount of capital does not believe in the future of South Africa. Many of them said that the transition in 1994 from apartheid to democracy was too good to be true. Something goes wrong.
"Thus, they tend to be cautious in terms of their approach to investing in the economy of South Africa. Because something will go wrong tomorrow. In the end, we & # 39; is an African country. This is an argument. This is more than a policy of uncertainty. This is what we & # 39; is an African country. If you look at the history of the continent, look at what happened. It was an argument. Military coups in other countries, and here we have a smooth transition.
"In order to move from the white minority, which was very oppressive to black and black majority government, which is very forgiving. How long will it last? It was a question of some investors.
"Stimulus invest becomes reduced."
He said that he met American economist last year, which would have won the Nobel Prize in economics, which raised the question that South African banks were more inclined to take risks than their counterparts in the US or the EU.
"South African banks, when you ask them a significant amount of the loan to start a business, almost need to be sure 100% success rate, before they lend you money."
The former president said that if it could be proved that it was the government should cooperate with the banks about why.
The next 25 years
Mbeki desire for the next 25 years has been in the country for South Africa to learn from the first 25 to announce that it will do in the next period "which is going to be very different."
"Why do we have so many millions of our people, the disabled? They do not have the skills needed by a modern economy and society. Let's participate in this business. We are not going to solve the unemployment problem, if you do not attend to the matter. Why do we continue to boast, as if it is a great achievement that we have so many people on welfare? It is not an achievement, it is a failure … in the sense that if these people are working, they will not need these grants.
"In the next 25 years, we must say that we have dramatically reduced the number of people who are & # 39 are unable to work; we drastically reduced the level of inequality between blacks and whites, men and women … all these things. "
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